Omer Subhani, the communications director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) South Florida, authors a blog. On April 16, he wrote that he had “serious doubts” about Sami Al-Arian, the disgraced former college professor and Islamist terrorist. Read his post here.
In his blog entry, Subhani attempts to come across as an impartial observer of the trial who was swayed by the outcome of the case. If his claim weren’t so biased, it’d be funny. But when it comes to CAIR and radical Islam, nobody is laughing.
I never said I was swayed by anything. My questions about the case still linger and what is on my blog is my own opinion based upon limited knowledge of the actual case. I don't make a living off of it like some people, ahem. And Andy, don't talk about bias when your web site is called "Anti-CAIR" and you devote your life to defaming any politically active Muslim American as an "Islamist."
I'm aware, Andy.Perhaps Subhani is not aware that CAIR is calling Al-Arian a “political prisoner”?
Is Subhani not aware that CAIR has sided with Al-Arian against the United States from day one?
Is Subhani really this ignorant? Consider, he is the communications director for a CAIR chapter; this means he is on CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper’s speed-dial list. Is Hooper not keeping Subhani up to date on the party line? Subhani attends American universities; he cannot claim he doesn’t speak, read and write English.Some facts: I began working for CAIR in September of 2007. Ibrahim doesn't have me on speed dial, but he sure does have my email address, and he has not informed me of any "party line." And I do not currently attend "American universities." I graduated, as is stated on my blog profile, and am working with CAIR to better serve fellow Muslim Americans and my community in general.
So, what motivates Subhani?
Simple. It’s another case of CAIR trying to con the rubes. Only this time it didn’t work. At the time Anti-CAIR reviewed Subhani’s post, he had exactly zero supporters among those responding. True to the CAIR playbook, Subhani has deleted posts — could they have been critical (i.e., telling the truth) of Subhani or CAIR?
First of all, barely anyone visits my blog in the first place. I started it in October of 2007. Most of the people who comment on my blog are people who disagree with me. I've had the pleasure of fielding comments from Muslims Against Shariah, Jihad Watch, and now from you, Andy. Having "zero supporters" is nothing new because my blog is not publicized by me and it seems that right wing groupies have nothing better to do than write remarks on my blog. Lastly, I have never deleted a single post anyone has written on my blog. I am more than happy to watch friends of yours make complete fools of themselves, like that moron at Muslims Against Shariah, Khalim Massoud. The post you are mentioning was deleted by the person who posted it. Probably a friend of yours, maybe you should ask him/her. As for my motivations, I just stated one of them above: "to better serve fellow Muslim Americans and my community in general."
Subhani has learned that when you associate with the terrorist supporters of CAIR that every word you say is naturally suspect; this is as it should be.I learned that? Are you sure? And held suspect by whom? You? That's fine with me, Andy. I'm definitely not looking to convince you of anything lest my Islamist agenda for world domination be discovered. Definitely wouldn't want that to happen.
For the record, Al-Arian’s claim that his plea agreement voided any requirement to further testimony was denied.
We note that Subhani calls Anti-CAIR bigots and that we “tell lies”.I documented your bigoted and xenophobic remarks already. The lie you told was that Al-Arian refused to uphold his plea deal. No where in the deal does it say he must testify in other cases. Further, the prosecution and his defense agreed, verbally in court, that he would not have to deal with the government any more after the deal, but of course as we now know our government broke the deal and is forcing him to testify.
My post was about Sami Al-Arain, genius. Not about CAIR. I never said you lied about CAIR, but about Al-Arian. Do you know how to read?Subhani, a law school student, should know that defamation is against the law; i.e., you can sue someone if they tell a lie about you. If CAIR believes that Anti-CAIR is defaming them, why don’t they sue us?
Or did they try that once before and run away from their case when the truth became too uncomfortable?
Gee, thanks for not suing me (???). And why would you hope that I continue to stand up for Islamic terrorists? That's like me saying I hope you continue to be a blatant idiot. I wouldn't hope for that. It seems like you want me to be an Islamic terrorist or to become one. Based upon my own writings you would have to be a moron to think that was going to happen. But I won't put that past you, Andy.As for Anti-CAIR suing Subhani for defaming us? Not a chance. After many years of following CAIR’s lap dogs, we’ve found that they do more damage to their organization than we ever could.
We hope that Subhani continues to stand up for Islamic terrorists and terrorist supporting groups like CAIR.
"Further, the prosecution and his defense agreed, verbally in court, that he would not have to deal with the government any more after the deal"
ReplyDeleteCan you produce a court transcript (you can surely get one through CAIR, they have big Saudi $$$) that supports your claim? Al-Arian's lawyers have not produced a single court transcript showing this "verbal agreement" being discussed either. Why? Because no such agreement - verbal or otherwise- seems to exist. How convenient. Al-Arians lawyers (his employees) only have to "say" it is true. This does not make it true. Unless you drink the kool-aide.
Finally, you say: "It seems like you want me to be an Islamic terrorist or to become one."
All that can be said here is this. By choosing to work for CAIR while having complete access to the court documented truth about CAIR's founders, leadership, purpose, and Hamas origins, you certainly seem to be making some interesting choices.
Do yourself a favor, fire up that Mac, do a little honest scholarly research, and face the truth about CAIR.
Discuss.
-a big fan
I tried to find the full transcript of the plea deal at Emerson's web site. He only has a shortened version. It is possible that such wording is mentioned there. If it isn't then you would be right.
ReplyDeleteLike I have said, if any CAIR officials have done any wrong doing then they should be punished. That's plain and simple. CAIR does good work for the Muslim American community irrespective of what may or not be true about some of its officials. If they have done wrong then our government should go after them. Also, I don't think there is anything interesting in trying to help Muslim Americans everyday who have been the victims of discrimination or harassment, just like the NAACP does for Black Americans and the ADL does for Jewish Americans. I enjoy helping people and that is why I work with CAIR.
If you want to think we're forming some plot to overthrow the Constitution then you're on drugs. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I enjoy my freedoms here in my country and would like to keep it that way, God willing.
"Why oppose CAIR? CAIR has proven links to and was founded by Islamic terrorists. CAIR is not in the United States to promote the civil rights of Muslims. CAIR is here to make radical Islam the dominant religion in the United States and to convert our country into an Islamic theocracy along the lines of Iran. In addition CAIR has managed. through the adroit manipulation of the popular media to present itself as the "moderate" face of Islam in the United States. CAIR succeeded to the point that the majority of its members are not aware that CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations. In addition, CAIR receives direct funding from Islamic terrorist supporting countries"
ReplyDeleteI found the above statement on the Anti-CAIR website. It is one of the items CAIR tried to sue Whitehead over and had to ammend when CAIR realized that Anti-CAIR could back it up with facts.
I bring this up because it sounds like you are a good person, taken in by the CAIR facade of "civil rights group" and that you really want to do good for others. That is commendable, however, according to facts presented in court, the CAIR organization was originated on a foundation of disdain for America. Many CAIR members have realized this and have quit your organization. (Which is why CAIR membership took a severe nosedive over the years)
YOU may not want to overthrow the Constitution, but those who founded, funded, and lead CAIR most certainly have shown they want America converted to their warped image. As Ibrahim Hooper says: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future ... But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote that. I'm going to do it through education."
If you can justify or accept this sentiment as harmless twittle, then you have indeed swallowed the worm.
Truth,
ReplyDeleteI'm glad that you at least acknowledge I'm not crazy so that we can have a fair and decent conversation. I don't doubt your concerns about the safety of our country and what you feel are major issues with CAIR.
You bring up the following point: "CAIR succeeded to the point that the majority of its members are not aware that CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations."
How does CAIR do this? We don't support any foreign groups. I've seen on TV and in print people demanding CAIR to "condemn" groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. CAIR has openly condemned their violent actions, but as an organization it refuses to condemn them as groups. Why? Because they're political parties in their respective countries and condemning them is in essence condemning a large segment of those countries. Why don't pro-Israel supporters condemn the Labor party in Israel? Why you ask, would I condemn them? Because the Labor party has been responsible for conducting the construction of illegal settlements on Palestinian land, which is a breach of the Road Map and every other relevant peace agreement between Israelis and Palestinians. Why not condemn the entire Israeli government for their support of house demolitions, targeted assassinations, and other actions that are completely illegal under international law and which cause deaths to innocent Palestinians, not Palestinians who are involved in terrorist plots. That's an absurd request because the Labor party does more than just construct illegal settlements, it also does good for its citizens in many forms as does Hamas for the Palestinians. Violent actions should be condemned on both sides, but as far as condemning groups or parties, that's just politics.
I hope you see my point. I personally hope that Hamas becomes more politically astute and leaves violence for the sake of its people so that peace can be achieved. I'm no supporter of Hamas, but I see them as being a much more favorable choice of representation for the Palestinian people than the corrupt party of Fatah.
You then point out that the civil rights work of CAIR is a facade. I obviously don't agree. 75% of my work is involved in civil rights cases. The rest is devoted to interfaith work, raising political awareness in the Muslim American community, and media relations. Even if what you said is true, that CAIR was founded with a disdain for America, there is no doubt, that today in April of 2008, that the people who work for CAIR and support it are Americans who are trying to give a voice to their community - that's all. I have disdain for some aspects of my country, as I'm sure you do as well. But if what disdain means is a desire to overthrow the Constitution then I can assure you no one I know with the best of my knowledge at CAIR is working to do that, but only to uphold the Constitution. If I had even an inkling that there was a goal to do such a thing then I would never support CAIR, I would speak out against CAIR, and would obviously never have worked for CAIR.
As far as what Ibrahim said, that's no different than the words of someone like Pat Robertson (I'm not saying they're the same, but their remarks about making American more religiously inclined is similar). That quote is mentioned so many times as evidence that CAIR wants to "Islamicize" America. That's no different than the jargon of people like Robertson who want to make America a Christian country or one dominated by what they feel are Christian values (i.e. on abortion, gays, etc.). Ibrahim likely meant that he wants more Islamic values in America, something no different than what many Christians want. If he meant something else, something meaning the overthrow of the Constitution then I obviously reject that. But I seriously, seriously doubt he meant that he wants America to become Saudi Arabia or something like that.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I think dialog is good, as can be seen here in our conversation. I have no problem with our government investigating CAIR if they feel there is wrong doing because I seriously doubt they would find anything that would show CAIR working to "Islamicize" America or overthrow the Constitution or that we're a terrorist supporting front group or that we're financed by terrorists. People, not countries, support the work of many Muslim American groups because they want to help build bridges here in America between Americans and Muslims. If a secret agenda is exposed then I would reject that and disassociate myself from such an idea because I don't believe in that and from my interaction with other CAIR officials I have not seen anything at all that could be surmised as being a plot to make America governed by Shariah. I mean, what an absurd idea. There are TWO Congressmen in all of Congress who are Muslims. Muslims make up approximately 1-2% of the U.S. population and people are claiming that we're trying to overthrow the Constitution. That is borderline insanity and definitely a case of paranoia to think Muslims could pull off such a feat even if evidence was shown that every Muslim in the U.S. was conspiring in such a plot.
Look at this statement from Anti-CAIR: "CAIR is here to make radical Islam the dominant religion in the United States and to convert our country into an Islamic theocracy along the lines of Iran."
You have to be kidding, right? Like I said, even if the whole U.S. Muslim population was conspiring to do such a thing how likely do you think such an initiative would be to succeed? Probably zero percent chance. That makes me laugh to even think there are Americans who can think in such an irrational way.
You are free to judge CAIR as you want, but I hope you are objective in analyzing evidence and can see that CAIR's actual work has nothing to do with overthrowing the Constitution and everything to do with upholding it, otherwise I would never have joined CAIR. I'm not about to give up watching the Dolphins for stoning exhibitions like the Taliban used to conduct in soccer stadiums.
Omer, first, I'm not going to discuss israel and palestine, it is irrelevant to CAIR and often used as the fallback in discourse to distract from CAIR. All CAIR people seem to do this and it's silly.
ReplyDeleteOmer, the following is a FBI taped conversation one of your top brass, Omar Ahmad had in Philadelpia in 1993.
Shukri Abu Baker: I swear by your God that war is deception. War is deception. We are fighting our enemy with a kind heart and we never thought of deceiving it. War is deception. Deceive, camouflage, pretend that you're leaving while you're walking that way...Deceive your enemy.
Omar Ahmad: This is like one who plays basketball; he makes a player believe that he is doing this while he does something else ... I agree with you. Like they say; politics is a completion of war.
Shukri Abu Baker: Yes, politics - like war - is a deception.
What are your feelings about Omar Ahmad from this bit? What could they be talking about? hint: Omar Ahmad was captured on FBI surveillance tapes at this Hamas meeting in the United States during 1993 explaining that the IAP could not, for political reasons, admit its support for Hamas, and then discussing how the Hamas agenda could be cloaked and advanced. - CAIR sprang forth shortly afterward in 1994 and, gathered from this evidence, to "deceive and camouflage" from Americans CAIR's Hamas origins and mission. Just a little evidence of "something rotten", as they say.
Did you know that Omar Ahmad and Nihad Awad were heads of the Islamic Association for Palestine?
Do you know that IAP was a court proven Front for Hamas? And that IAP is the parent org of CAIR? These are indisputable facts about CAIR's origins.
You said: "Even if what you said is true, that CAIR was founded with a disdain for America, there is no doubt, that today in April of 2008, that the people who work for CAIR and support it are Americans who are trying to give a voice to their community - that's all. I have disdain for some aspects of my country, as I'm sure you do as well. But if what disdain means is a desire to overthrow the Constitution then I can assure you no one I know with the best of my knowledge at CAIR is working to do that, but only to uphold the Constitution. If I had even an inkling that there was a goal to do such a thing then I would never support CAIR, I would speak out against CAIR, and would obviously never have worked for CAIR"
It is totally irrelevant what you, or any other CAIR employee or member do in the name of CAIR. CAIR chapters, it appears, mainly get their orders from the top down and chapters do little "civil rights" things here and there to get in the news and bolster CAIR's "clout" in the media and government. It's a smokescreen.
Just look how much of CAIR's HQ money and efforts are put towards (international) endeavors compared to what they claim they work for - civil rights for Americans. It is a joke.
CAIR leadership seems to use the honest efforts of well intentioned members and staff to, in Baker's words: "deceive, camouflage, pretend that you're leaving while you're walking that way...Deceive your enemy."
You work for a Terror-front group that to me, is obviously using your youth, energy, and goodwill to further their own Islamist, anti-american interests.
I would never want to be told this of something that I believed in, but it seems you're being duped and taken advantage of by some nefarious characters for an agenda you may not understand.
I understand your inclination to defend CAIR, but it's wasted - CAIR can't defend itself from the facts.
You say you are no supporter of Hamas, yet you work for CAIR, which, as the facts show, was created by Hamas members to further the interest of Hamas in America. And though you say: "I personally hope that Hamas becomes more politically astute and leaves violence for the sake of its people so that peace can be achieved" -this will never happen, because as the Hamas Charter states: (Which it appears that CAIR's Awad and Ahmad had translated to english) "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"
So if you want Hamas to leave violence, Hamas says that will only happen when Israel is "obliterated".
Hamas is no friend to Americans, and neither is CAIR.
I'm not going to change your mind, Omer. You either know the facts on CAIR and dismiss it all, or you will one day realize the truth and you will run like hell.
And just so you know, I have ZERO disdain for America. Zero. America is the greatest country, with the greatest people, on earth.
The Israel-Palestine conflict is not irrelevant since you say that CAIR is a Hamas front group. It's not a fall back either, but my comments directly addressed a comment you made.
ReplyDeleteI would like you to explain how Hamas, a group that devotes all its energy and resources to the Palestinian Territories, would want to create CAIR - a Muslim civil advocacy organization. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to create a PAC similar to AIPAC and lobby Congress to put more pressure on Israel? I guess the whole plan was to get Muslims politically active over the course of a century in order to eventually destroy Israel... riiight.
We don't get "orders" from top down, actually. Our chapters are quite free to devote their time and resources into areas that that specific chapter identifies as a problem area, like civil rights, interfaith work, etc. We set our own agenda. I also take offense to your suggestion that we do a "little" civil rights work. Trust me buddy, much of my day is consumed by helping Muslim Americans who have been victims of discrimination.
What international efforts does CAIR "HQ" devote its money to? Building bridges with others? Oh yea, that's a terrible way to spend your resources.
Anyway, much as you said, we can essentially agree to disagree. This will serve as my last comment on this discussion and topic.